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Thread subject: US Wildlife email re Pale Male
Name Date Message
karen 12/14/04 12:21 pm

Thank you for contacting the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service concerning the
removal by the landowner of a red-tailed hawk nest from a Fifth Avenue
apartment building in New York City. After consulting with the Service, the
building owners removed the nest legally under the Migratory Bird Treaty
Act and guidelines issued by the Service. The owners had expressed a
concern that the nest, located above a busy pedestrian pathway, had posed a
threat to public safety.

However, in response to overwhelming public interest in these birds, the
Service is working with the building management and officials in New York
State and New York City to explore options for installing a nesting
platform either on the building or at a nearby site within the birds̢۪

The conservation of hawks and other migratory birds is a fundamental
mission of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service. These species face a variety
of threats, particularly habitat alteration and destruction. With the
support of concerned citizens, we can work together to conserve migratory
birds throughout our nation.

To find out how you can help, or to learn more about the agency's efforts
to conserve migratory birds, you may wish to check the Service̢۪s Web site

Thank you again for contacting us.
karen 12/14/04 12:23 pm hi Ron I did this so fast I did not see your posting of the same info yesterday! Sorry for the repeat.
RonS 12/14/04 01:08 pm No worries, Karen. I posted this (today) in the original Pale Male thread as well as the Newsday follow-up. Between the two of us, we will keep the world informed. LOL
Marie 12/14/04 03:58 pm Thanks Guys ! It is great to see all these updates about Pale Male and his love. I bet those folk in that swanky place never envisioned the out pouring of concern from the general public.
They aired the story on 'Discovery' Canadian channel last evening but it sounded as though the hawks weren't being seen anymore. I hope that isn't the case.
RonS 12/14/04 05:00 pm Marie,
In today's Newsday, there is a story that the building management is in discussions to allow the nest site to be restored. The story contains a comment that the hawks have been seen trying to rebuild the nest. There may be hope yet.
Celeste 12/15/04 05:33 am I don't know....Late last night I heard that "Lincoln" was arrested. Seems he was trying to see Paula Zahn who is married to Richard Cohen, the "head" Management of the building. Mary Tyler Moore was said to have secured a lawyer for Lincoln. They talk about putting back the nest, but sometimes I wonder if they are procrastinating just enough so that when they finally make the attempt,(to save face), the hawks either go elsewhere or abandon the area all together. I just don't understand the big deal in getting their act together and putting back the nest. They obviously were clueless thinking they could do such a thing without some kind of public outcry. How dense can they be?, or how smart?! I also thought I heard it is really crucial for them to replace the nest soon as January is the month that the hawks "get together".
Marie 12/15/04 09:37 am Well the Hawks can build a new one again but they may like the steel supports that were taken away to make the foundation for the nest secure. No doubt that old nest of twigs has been taken right away and burnt as it probably was very dirty and gross. No body would want to replace it, and besides Man doesn't know how to make a nest. It would surely fall down and then really become a hazzard for those pedestrians walking below. Nope these Red-tails will have to start from scratch again. Just my opinion. .. ;-))
Nancy L 12/15/04 10:42 am I just heard this morning that "they" were planning on putting the "spikes" back on the building & maybe even making a little "gate" around it, to make the nest area even more secure. Pale male has been starting to put twigs back already. Members of the local Audubon group have stated that they would be happy to help keep the sidewalk below clean (of bones, etc..)
Marie 12/15/04 05:04 pm Wonderful news Nancy. Thanks for keeping us all in the loop.
Tim 12/15/04 05:42 pm
This e-mail from the Audubon Society came today....
Great news! Audubon Society negotiators and the Co-op Board of a posh Manhattan building reached an agreement that will allow Pale Male and his mate Lola to rebuild their nest! Within days, a network of steel spikes that previously held Pale Male̢۪s nest in place, and will hold his new nest in place, should return to the hawks' 12th-floor home, just in time for mating season.

Celeste 12/15/04 07:46 pm Thanks Tim....let's hope. I was trying to find a "copy" of an editorial by Susan Cheever in today's Newsday for all to read. I will give a taste of what the article was about.

It was cleverly written, and thought provoking too. She tells the story of Pale Male taking residence in that ritzy apartment avoiding the $10,000 a month maintenance fee. She adds that she too loved seeing him from the park and how thrilling it was to see the grandeur of this neighborhood mixed with wildness. Even the Paparazzi snapped away constantly at the goings on of this famous hawk. He and his nest was protected by the 1918 Migratory Bird Treaty Act. The hawks thrived on the park's supply of rats and pigeons. And yes, pigeon and rat carcass were frequently found on the sidewalk. I loved how she mentions that he courted his variety of mates through the years, while Bobby Short played Cole Porter at the Carlyle Hotel a few blocks away. Pale Male raised 23 children in about 10 years! However, in April 03, The US Fish and Wildlife Service changed things and said that a nest that did not have eggs or chicks could be removed. She added that it was very upsetting to see the hawk bringing twigs to an empty ledge and trying to rebuild his nest. She also said that seeing the confused hawks made her very sad, but, she reminded herself that we have 17,000 homeless children in the city. She also added that there were hundreds of angry hawk supporters some in woodpecker costumes and hawk outfits protesting. What is also negative is that in the past the maintenence people of this building would check the nest for the onlookers by climbing on the roof checking for eggs. There was a friendship between the maintenence people and the onlookers. In a flash, all has changed. She closes the article by stating that the people are angry at each other booing their rage at anyone who enters or leaves the building while Pale Male perched on another ledge looks on.

One more thing to put a smile on all of our faces.....Check out the photo on the "Our Natural World" website sponsored by Newsday.........

I wonder which one of "our osprey chicks" this photo is of!
Marie 12/16/04 02:36 am Celeste, it looks like a Boy baby osprey to necklace...perhaps Spirit ;-)) wrong nest though I believe. Long Island has many osprey nests doesn't it so it could be any one of them? Great site with a whole lot of info on it. Good news about the hawks.
Celeste 12/16/04 05:33 am I know your right about that osprey nest not being one of ours, I was "making believe".....I loved that they wrote Happy Trails! I always think of that song when our chicks are about to migrate. That boardwalk you see in one of the slides on that site is the walk to the Fire Island Lighthouse by the way.
Marie 12/16/04 09:36 am Now I can follow your 'footsteps',
cathy 12/17/04 05:39 pm With all this "flap", regardless of what happens to Pale Male, people will think carefully about destroying a raptor nest.

Dear Dr. Farrar:

Thank you for your letter to Mayor Bloomberg regarding the destruction of Pale Male's nest. We share your disappointment with this decision, and hope that the building's co-op board will reconsider. The Commissioner of the New York City Department of Parks & Recreation, Adrian Benepe was asked by the Mayor to work as a conduit to the Audubon Society and 927 Fifth Avenue's co-op board to assist them in their negotiations.

Because the building is privately owned, there is no law that the City can cite to have the nest rebuilt. Until recently, federal law had deemed removal of any nest of a native American bird as a violation of the Migratory Bird Treaty Act of 1918, thus protecting the pair of red-tailed hawks. Now, the law has been clarified so that it is only illegal to remove a nest if it is active with eggs or chicks residing in it. New York City is a welcoming place for red-tailed hawks like Pale Male, with plenty of food and green space. Over the past few years, the Parks Department has permanently preserved over 8,200 acres of valuable natural areas citywide in an initiative called, "Forever Wild." Twenty-three different animal species, including bald eagles, have been reintroduced into City parks via the Department's Project X program. The peregrine falcon is making a comeback in New York City, thanks in part to the Department of Environmental Protection, which monitors the falcons to help them continue their population growth.

We are hopeful that Pale Male and his partner Lola will make a new home and remain New Yorkers. Thank you for contacting the Office of the Mayor about the red-tailed hawks that have captured the City's heart and imagination.

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Tom Throwe
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