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Thread subject: Sad news (Norfolk Eagles)
Name Date Message
Pam 04/26/11 04:18 pm Norfolk eagle
Shelley 04/26/11 04:57 pm Is there an active male at that nest? How old are the chicks, do they know? I wonder if they might intervene if it looks like the male can't manage?

So sad
DaisyG 04/26/11 05:37 pm Yes there is Shelley. The eaglets may be removed and fostered out to other nests or taken into rehab if it is looking like the male isn't coping. A decision will be made very soon.
FOB Webmaster 04/26/11 06:28 pm Very, very sad
martyc35 04/26/11 06:57 pm Oh, dear. RIP, mom eagle, and good luck to the rest.
Celeste 04/26/11 08:05 pm Gosh we know these things happen, but when you actually read it it really is sad. I'm glad they are going to try and do something to help.
Tiger 04/27/11 05:38 am The eaglets did get fed last night.

Here is a Lovely tribute to mum
Shelley 04/27/11 06:20 am Thank you for that, Tiger. What a lovely tribute piece that was. The three chicks look farther along than the Decorah chicks, so hopefully they have a good chance of surviving, especially if the dad continues to provide.
DaisyG 04/27/11 06:24 am Glad of that bit of positive news Tiger. Hopefully no intervention will be needed.
Tiger 04/27/11 06:58 am Dad brought breakfast about half an hour ago. Snuffed out the dreams of a fish though!
Tiger 04/27/11 07:00 am Comment on the news stream.

I am not here to answer questions right now but wanted to post that Dad has brought in a fish at 6:40 a.m. EDST. He did not start feeding immediately but waited, as if expected the female to return and feed. He has now started feeding
bethohio 04/27/11 10:14 am Eaglet relocation 4/27 ...

DGIF biologists have decided that it is in the best interest of the eaglets to remove them from the nest and relocate them to the Wildlife Center of Virginia. The removal operation will take place at 10 a.m.
Anne-UK1 04/27/11 10:41 am Oh my. I read this and found the cam just in time to watch the rescue. Heart in your mouth time - first chick should be on its way down in a few minutes by the look of things. Cam here for anyone who doesn't have it - Link
Anne-UK1 04/27/11 10:57 am That man is a hero. I see why they decided not to delay the rescue, those chicks are some size already. I now have a better idea of what's involved in banding too!

Incredible is all I can say.
Tiger 04/27/11 11:04 am I watched it live. The eaglets were saying "But we did this a while ago".

Rather Julian than me climb that tree though.
Anne-UK1 04/27/11 11:14 am I suppose he does it every day, but no way would you get me up there! Reading the chat, it was him who went up the other day when the eaglets were banded - I imagine he shared the same thoughts as the chicks.

Good to read that the plan is to release these three back to the wild, I hope all goes well for them. Sad for the male to lose his family this way though. Again via the chat I read that his predecessor was also killed by a plane. (I realised just now I'd never given a thought to the pilot - I presume he managed to land safely.)
Melanie 04/27/11 11:19 am These chicks are just about the same age as when I went out on an eaglet shanghai expedition a few years ago at Blackwater to help boost the Vermont Bald Eagle population. If there was ever a good age for this to happen at, this is it. They are too old to risk being accepted into another nest, and just learning how to feed themselves. As sad as this is, they will be just fine.
Anne-UK1 04/27/11 11:41 am That's good to hear Melanie. Reading the info they posted on the chat it sounds as if the center the chicks are being taken too is very well set up to care for them and bring them safely through to fledging and return to the wild. They're lucky chicks :)
Lyn 04/27/11 01:49 pm I just read of the untimely death of the mother eagle, and subsequent moving of the eaglets, and felt so bad. I have been watching the Decorah eagles along with Jim. It's such a joy to be able to watch these birds, and see how the male and female are a team for the babies.

The Decorah eaglets aren't quite as far in their growth, as they are still pretty much greyish now. That nest is out in the farmlands, and near a stream, so hopefully they'll continue to do well.
Anne-UK1 04/27/11 05:38 pm Some links picked up from the moderated discussion list on the webcam page:-

An update from the wildlife centre - Link

And videos on youtube of the rescue

Part 1

Part 2
martyc35 04/27/11 07:56 pm Thanks so much for those links, Anne. I suggest that anyone who didn't see it live this morning, look at the wildlife center notes and pics first, then the videos. It helps while watching the videos to know that the babies are already down from there and safe. I thought I would get seasick, just watching them all blowing around in the wind. That man is a hero, and so skilled, too. I'm so glad that the people who set up the cam are so responsible and have the resources to help when things go bad like this.
Shelley 04/27/11 08:03 pm I agree with you, Marty, about looking at the stills and notes first. Did anyone else find it somewhat odd that he wore a helmet and goggles but was bare-armed and bare-handed? He had to use those bare hands and face the beaks and talons. Sure, they are just chicks but still.
Tiger 04/27/11 08:16 pm One of the eaglet is examined
Shelley 04/27/11 08:51 pm Another question: were the 2 parents of this nest both banded? Is that how they were able to be so certain that the female killed was the mother of this particular nest?
Anne-UK1 04/28/11 03:05 am Thanks for that link Tiger. Amazing how small they look on the nest and how big they are in reality. You can see the strength they have already too.

Yes Shelley, I was surprised the man (Kevin Finch I believe was his name) wasn't wearing gloves. I guess he felt he'd be able to hold them better without but I imagine he may have a scratch or two to show for his efforts. Apparently he was the same person who took the eaglets down from the nest just a couple of days before for banding - from what I could gather that was his first time ever so he's certainly had to learn fast. The tree company he works for are very involved with the eagles though so he's probably seen it done a few times previously. But what pressure, knowing the whole world's watching your every move - and as Marty says, that tree was swaying around more than a little.

I don't think either of the adults is ringed - definitely not the female anyway, as they said they knew it must be her by her size and that she hadn't returned to the nest since the accident. Also these are the only pair which nest in the area.

Very lucky chicks to be on a webcam and not one where the policy is non-intervention.

Tiger 04/28/11 03:13 am Anne I thought the climber's name was Julian although I did not record his surname.

I am pretty certain that the main reason they identified the dead eagle as the mother in this nest is that she did not come back.
DaisyG 04/28/11 03:26 am Thanks for the links and info. Just catching up with the video clips now.

Agree with you re the bare hands and arms. One false move...ouch! That beak could very easily remove a finger.
martyc35 04/28/11 03:30 am Agreed on what you all say about the mother eagle. I have just been looking at all the horrible storms and tornados hitting the eastern seaboard, and now I think they were brilliant to get up there before even worse weather arrived. At least those eaglets are safe. I don't remember the last huge storm of tornados in 1974, so the current one seems particularly horrendous. More than 58 people killed in Alabama, and the storms are marching right up the coast. Stay safe, Melanie, in Annapolis, and I'm keeping watch on my kid in Bowie. A small tornado was registered near Andrews Air Force Base, and you will all be putting up with more thunderstorms through tomorrow. I'm hoping for everyone that the tornados will have died down by tomorrow. I think if I lived in the pathway of any such storms, I'd seek a good shelter or take a sleeping bag down to the basement. Night time tornados are not usual, but they say they are happening tonight.
DaisyG 04/28/11 03:38 am The storms sound terrible Marty and echo your thoughts and wishes for the safety of those in their way.
Anne-UK1 04/28/11 06:19 am Yes you are right Tiger - Julian Finch.
Melanie 04/28/11 12:43 pm We've been under the gun all morning but they've passed off to our west, although we just a horrendous cell come through full of all the goodies - hail, wind, thunder, lightening..... but now we are supposed to be pretty much done for the day. I was heading out last night just as the cell that produced a couple of tornadoes passed about 4 miles west of us - it looked REAL ugly.

Some thoughts on Bald Eagle chicks and handling without gloves. You would be very surprised as just how docile BE chicks are for the most part. They don't perceive a threat and don't know how to act. The trick to handling them is to grab their legs at the "knees" from behind and that makes the talons manageable. Same with ospreys. You may get a feisty chick who wants to bite, but as long as you steer clear of the hook on the bill you are OK - they still don't have quite the biting strength of an adult, although I wouldn't want to test them. You can actually stick you finger in their beaks as long as it goes across the bill itself (think of a bit in a horses mouth) and they can't hurt you. The danger is all in the hook.
Anne-UK1 04/28/11 01:20 pm The storms out there sound as if they've been really bad. I hope they've passed through and that's it now.

I was fascinated watching the behaviour of those eaglets yesterday. Great alarm and defensive behaviour when Julian first appeared by the nest, but after that they stood pretty still, right down to the last one when he'd seen the other two removed. To start with I had great fears that they'd panic and at least one might go off the edge, but mother nature has given them great instincts to do 'the right thing'. Interesting about the beaks Melanie, but like you I wouldn't fancy testing it!
martyc35 04/28/11 02:53 pm Over 250 people killed in all those storms that hit AL, TN, and GA, mostly, although the storms are still marching right up to New England and on into Canada. I have heard from my daughter in Bowie, too, Mel, and the worst has passed there.

I had the same concerns when watching the eaglet rescue, that they would move backward and fall off the nest, but I wasn't worried about the guy, because I figure they know by now what they are doing. Just imagine being garbed in some coverall and having your sleeve get caught on a branch. I think I'd risk the bare arms just to avoid that possibility. The video showing all three chicks, and then one, by one, was fascinating. We sure learn a lot from these cams.
Celeste 04/28/11 03:05 pm Oh thank you Anne!! The whole thing gives me a lump in my throat, but as Marty said really glad about the responsible people of this nest and having the funds to help.

Melanie, you are our "resident" banding expert to be sure!!!!
Anne-UK1 04/28/11 05:35 pm Yes, amazing people. Today's update :) - Here

martyc35 04/28/11 06:26 pm Thank you, Anne, for monitoring those reports and linking us to them. The staff there seem to be properly ecstatic and enthusiastic about their adopted progeny. So fun to read.
Tiger 04/28/11 07:43 pm Dad's last visit to the nest last night. See Dad's last visit

Very sad.
Shelley 04/28/11 08:50 pm I wonder if he will stay in the area, and if he will recognize his offspring when they are released into the wild. Very sad and bittersweet
Celeste 04/28/11 09:34 pm It was very sad. Nature never ceases to amaze me.
Anne-UK1 04/30/11 07:03 am Very sad to see dad looking round for his family in that clip.

But all three eaglets are doing well - there's a webcam running now too - Link

Shelley 04/30/11 09:53 am Thanks for that update link, Anne.

I clicked on all the links within but at the cam link, I could only see the chat; the cam screen was black for me. But I am happy with updates, for now.

Do you know when they will be released back into the wild for good? Would it be from this centre or would they return them to the original nest area? I wonder if the male (father) would recognize them and connect in order to teach them to fish?
Anne-UK1 04/30/11 11:31 am Shelley there should be a 'play' arrow in the middle of that black box. Try refreshing the page. I've tested it on IE and it seems to work okay, but a bit slow loading. It's not the best resolution at the moment - I imagine they'll be uploading better quality clips to youtube on a fairly regular basis though.

This is from their Q&A page:-

"Ultimately, if things go well, the babies will be released in Tidewater Virginia, somewhere near a
large eagle population. It is too soon to start planning the release of these guys, but we have
typically released previous young-of-the-year near the Westover Plantation, across from the
James River National Wildlife Refuge, where there is a large concentration of immature birds."

The Q&A page is - Here

I need to check on the geography. The Wildlife Center is some way from the nest area, around a 2-3 hour journey someone said on the day of the rescue, so I'm guessing the release site is also a fair way from it too.
Anne-UK1 04/30/11 11:32 am Forgot to say - if all goes well release should be in August or September.
Marlee 05/01/11 11:30 am WVgal_dana 11:26EDT I am so happy they saved the eaglets. Wonderful we get to watch them grow. I have always enjoy NBG. Deeply sorrw for Mom and Dad's heartbreak. You know I haven't been able to reach my "heart for Liberty". Thank you Tiger for "In The Arms Of Angels". I reach my heart for "Liberty nest of NCTC" and I did get some tears. To The Freedom and SOARING OF ANOTHER GREAT EAGLE..still part of me say's wait till next season to be sure.

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