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Thread subject: What bird?
Name Date Message
martyc35 01/19/12 02:20 pm Here's a PIC of a raptor in snowy Olympia, WA, and my brother and SIL say it is a Kestrel. I am not sure, but could it be another of the smaller raptors? Sorry the pic is a bit fuzzy, but this PIC of the snow there this morning will tell you that she took the photo from indoors. I am sooo glad I'm farther down the coast than they are, where I have lots of rain and wind, but no snow
marty
Celeste 01/19/12 02:49 pm That looks like an adult sharp shinned to me. It's similar to the photo I took the other day through a screen closed window, (below). However, the experts are Tim, Marie, etc.

Here's my photo...HAWK
Trishrg 01/19/12 03:24 pm Definitely not a Kestrel.
Without seeing size, or a good look at the legs, either Sharp-shinned, or Cooper's Hawk,

Your pic is nice too Celeste. Skinny little Sharpie legs.
martyc35 01/19/12 04:07 pm Thank you. That's what I thought, too. I have sent your pic to them, Celeste. I'm sure from the behavior (and the markings) that it was a sharpie. The one that comes here sits around for a couple of minutes, too, and then goes to check other favorite spots. I think they thought kestrel because it was small.
marty
Celeste 01/19/12 05:10 pm Also a sharp shinned is 10-14 in with a wingspan of 20-27in. Eats small birds, occasionally mice, shrew, bats, frogs and insects.
martyc35 01/19/12 06:20 pm Amazing video of a hooded crow sliding down a roof on an improvised "sled" just for the fun of it.
LINK This took place in Russia.
marty
Shelley 01/19/12 07:45 pm Love that link, Marty! Funny!
Pam 01/20/12 07:01 am Thanks for all those links....all good stuff :-))
Peter 01/20/12 07:57 am Hysterical, thanks.
Trishrg 01/20/12 05:54 pm We just had a bird ID question on my local Yahoo Group here, Orange County Birding.
There were some good details on how to ID a Sharp-shinned Hawk I thought was good stuffs.
Read from the bottom post up. Sorry, not going to rearrange, I'll probably mess it up.


I would agree with the two that have already commented on your bird. I would also add that the horizontal barring on the flanks of the otherwise streaked underparts of a juvenile Accipiter is another feature that favors Sharp-shinned over Coopers. The bird also seems to show a proportionately small head vs. overall body size, which seems more apparent in the two back views. One feature I'm not 100% sure about, but your bird shows, is a small dark patch surrounding the eye (which i think helps add to the bug-eyed impression). I've never seen this on Cooper's, but have noticed it on a few close-up looks at Sharp-shins.
vireos44 Fri Jan 20 18:00:04 UTC 2012
I agree with Joe, and just add that the legs look especially spindly and thus also good for Sharp-shinned.
Joe Morlan Fri Jan 20 17:32:12 UTC 2012
Juv. female Sharp-shinned Hawk. Broad ventral streaking including the belly; short tail graduation tip with no white on terminal band, light eyebrow, and relatively large eyes imparting a bug-eyed impression all point towards Sharp-shinned. Rounded head without obvious hackles and lack of rusty in the neck area further suggests Sharpie.
edanasal Fri Jan 20 17:23:09 UTC 2012
This is the hawk on my fence referenced in my email this morning. I thought juvenile Cooper's hawk at first because that's one of the three raptors I have identified visiting our neighborhood, but the eyebrow doesn't seem to match the photos/descriptions in my reference books or the photos I pulled up on the web. Photos of the juvenile sharp-shinned seem to show the eyebrow - at least some books. Also the streaking seems coarse to me, and Sibley makes a point of showing Cooper's with thin streaks and sharp-shinned with coarse. For size: the green strip above the horizontal of my chain link fence is about 2" tall, so the bird from the top of the horizontal up is about 10" (give or take) and about 4" from the top of the horizontal to the tip of the tail (also give or take). So, based on my reference books, it could be either bird. I would appreciate any help you can provide on the ID!

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